Starship | SN11 | High-Altitude Flight Test

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As early as Tuesday, March 30, the SpaceX team will attempt a high-altitude flight test of Starship serial number 11 (SN11) - our fourth high-altitude flight test of a Starship prototype from Starbase in Texas. Similar to previous high-altitude flight tests of Starship, SN11 will be powered through ascent by three Raptor engines, each shutting down in sequence prior to the vehicle reaching apogee - approximately 10 km in altitude. SN11 will perform a propellant transition to the internal header tanks, which hold landing propellant, before reorienting itself for reentry and a controlled aerodynamic descent.

The Starship prototype will descend under active aerodynamic control, accomplished by independent movement of two forward and two aft flaps on the vehicle. All four flaps are actuated by an onboard flight computer to control Starship’s attitude during flight and enable precise landing at the intended location. SN11’s Raptor engines will then reignite as the vehicle attempts a landing flip maneuver immediately before touching down on the landing pad adjacent to the launch mount.
A controlled aerodynamic descent with body flaps and vertical landing capability, combined with in-space refilling, are critical to landing Starship at destinations across the solar system where prepared surfaces or runways do not exist, and returning to Earth. This capability will enable a fully reusable transportation system designed to carry both crew and cargo on long-duration, interplanetary flights and help humanity return to the Moon, and travel to Mars and beyond.
Given the dynamic schedule of development testing, stay tuned to our social media channels for updates as we move toward SpaceX’s fourth high-altitude flight test of Starship!

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Quielan
Quielan 4 timer siden
I think that was SpaceX's good test, so they didn't want us to see that
edwin hennum
edwin hennum 4 timer siden
Sn12, sn13 and sn14: Ah yes if it isnt the forgotten prototype, Sn11: hey atleast i flew and didnt get scrapped
AD Audiovisual y Diseño spa
AD Audiovisual y Diseño spa 5 timer siden
Asombroso!!! Espero estos años que vienen sea el nacimiento de la era interplanetaria de la humanidad
nazar En
nazar En 6 timer siden
Как круто що мы рално космос на марс литим .Ки 2050 плоско зимлшкив стане менши коли рално луди масово на инши плнти лититмут ура !!!. Я ранше думав що це лиш коцу 21 век но нет сирдни столитий
JERRY PIXAR
JERRY PIXAR 9 timer siden
Awesome
Pedro Santos
Pedro Santos 11 timer siden
You can only fail if you stop trying.
Pedro Santos
Pedro Santos 11 timer siden
SN11 aka "The John Cena"
Вова PSylonic
Вова PSylonic 13 timer siden
Thanks for the lag camera..... 2G SINGAL 🤣🤣🤣
Simon Hulme KT
Simon Hulme KT Dag siden
Why did they launch on a day like this?! That fog is like soup!
Sfs Jakey
Sfs Jakey Dag siden
Faa:nah it’s too sunny it’s too hot to launch it Faa:yeessssssss we will launch it in the most intense fog were we can’t see starship
Jerry Dodge
Jerry Dodge Dag siden
I have a suggestion for SpaceX for the engine area. Rather than that area being a cylinder, make a dome in the top of that engine shroud. It would do 3 things: 1) Improve thrust 2) Improve stability while landing 3) Reduce the noise That noise comes from the cylindrical shape of that bottom shroud area. Combining the idea of a "Hemi" engine (where the combustion chamber is in the shape of a dome), I think this would make tons of improvements.
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You know? i think you should let the real engineers and tech people do their job; They don't need a "Suggestion and explanation" from a random guy on YT. You have such a high ego.
Jerry Dodge
Jerry Dodge Dag siden
There's overall too much "empty space" which echoes and does more harm than good. Wasted energy.
Jerry Dodge
Jerry Dodge Dag siden
And actually, it's not just the noise, but the vibrations that tend to shake things apart. A dome would help stabilize the whole bottom of the Starship. After all, humans have been building dome-shaped buildings for centuries...
Googan Gangle
Googan Gangle Dag siden
Besides all the optimism & spirit, miss the spectacular 💥 in the air. That would have been a stunning web cast 🎆✨💯
Quinn STANFIELD
Quinn STANFIELD Dag siden
Hippity hoppity, rocket go: 💥
Brent Smith
Brent Smith Dag siden
Poppity?
CS Romero
CS Romero Dag siden
Fantastic achievements 🇺🇲
Music 4MySoul
Music 4MySoul Dag siden
I don't want one soul that belongs to God lost for all eternity. Please reject the forbidden fruit for Covid-19. If anyone recieves the vaccine, they will be seperated from God for all eternity. I warn because I care. Jesus Christ is coming. If you seek Him you will find Him. The Lord looks nothing like the famous pictures. I've seen Him. God is faithful to His promises. Everything written in the book of revelation will be fulfilled. We are at the end.
Music 4MySoul
Music 4MySoul 5 timer siden
@Jul1an If you trust satanists and refuse to seek counsel from Jesus Christ that's on you. There will be no excuse. The vaccine will damn your soul. Goodbye to you.
Music 4MySoul
Music 4MySoul 5 timer siden
@Jul1an You will be condemned after taking the vaccine. Your prayers will not reach heaven. I've gone the whole pandemic without getting infected. The Lord walks before me. I follow Him.
Jul1an
Jul1an 5 timer siden
​@Music 4MySoul I don't know what I should say xD That makes no sense but just keep thinking about it. I do not care. If you think vaccination is so bad then ok. Then don't vaccinate, take the risk for yourself and your family. Your family and friends are sure to be very proud of you. I will get vaccinated because it is best for the general public, my family and me. Vaccinations have something to do with science, which is probably alien to you. Nevertheless, I wish you all the best, and hope that you will not be infected by Corona, since according to your theory, scientifically speaking, your DNA would also be changed in the event of an infection. *My belief in God will not be changed by a vaccination, neither will his in me.* All the best to you and your family. Take care and stay healthy
Music 4MySoul
Music 4MySoul 5 timer siden
@Jul1an It does change your DNA. It uses mRNA Crspr gene editing technology.
Music 4MySoul
Music 4MySoul 5 timer siden
@Jul1an Tony Lamb has a video called: They Killed God. He goes into detail about the vaccine. Anyone who takes the vaccine has no hope. I'm warning people because I care.
jawlock gaming
jawlock gaming 2 dager siden
Spacex: we are gonna fly this thing and land it Sn11 at the landing portion of the flight: *I SAID WE BOOMIN TODAY*
theGthatIAM
theGthatIAM 2 dager siden
I wonder what happened to the rocket tho...im a lil hazy on what happened exactly
sunahura
sunahura 3 dager siden
This is a dream ship, I wonder if it will have a luxury interior.
sunahura
sunahura 3 dager siden
Elon and the team have forgotten about the traditional champagne bottle smashing, that's what happen. GO SPACE X😍😍😍😍😂😂😂😂🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸☺☺☺☺☺☺☺
Patt sfs
Patt sfs 3 dager siden
11:36 setup
Chris Walker
Chris Walker 3 dager siden
Go Texas!!!!!
Joe Bantz
Joe Bantz 3 dager siden
The SN 11 did land successfully
M Jons
M Jons Dag siden
@Jack Whitlock Thousands even. :-)
Jack Whitlock
Jack Whitlock 3 dager siden
Landed successfully in a few hundred pieces
Thị Trúc Lâm
Thị Trúc Lâm 3 dager siden
Hoang tien sy and pham van chung use read thinking machine to follow me to kill me
itz tiggz
itz tiggz 4 dager siden
You guys got this 💪
Lucely Albino
Lucely Albino 4 dager siden
Cacacacc caca canal
Kiezerjira
Kiezerjira 5 dager siden
I can't see...
Das Knochentrocken
Das Knochentrocken 5 dager siden
Is it alive? I know that you are testing, and this flight was again better than the other ones. But what happened at the landing? Did you manage it?
TimePro
TimePro 5 dager siden
It exploded in mid air unfortunately during the landing burn.
Ajith Kumar
Ajith Kumar 5 dager siden
Only testing
soiung toiue
soiung toiue 6 dager siden
most inspiring thing in the last 50 years. Keep going forward! I love Space X!
Banala Varshith
Banala Varshith 6 dager siden
I will too become an elon musk and start up company like space X,because I am very very interested in astronomy.
Biên Phạm
Biên Phạm 6 dager siden
How to cut waves of read thinking machine
Buğra Çağrı YURT
Buğra Çağrı YURT 6 dager siden
nowindow.info/cloud/video/r6iWY4Wbm7B-eGQ.html
Juan Nicolas
Juan Nicolas 6 dager siden
yes....
soiung toiue
soiung toiue 6 dager siden
Amazing
nieooj gotoy
nieooj gotoy 6 dager siden
The road to success is always under construction~ Civil Engineer
BaBa Ganoush
BaBa Ganoush 7 dager siden
woohoooo!
yOkay_
yOkay_ 7 dager siden
Never give up!
GD gamer
GD gamer 7 dager siden
Coming soon: the launch of SN12
GD gamer
GD gamer 7 dager siden
@TimePro okay
TimePro
TimePro 7 dager siden
@GD gamer SN12-14 are not being built because SN15 has major upgrades.
GD gamer
GD gamer 7 dager siden
@Biegan What do you mean, what is the SN15 going to do?
Biegan
Biegan 7 dager siden
You are wrong bro, next will be SN15
Xeno SFS - SFS Content and News
Xeno SFS - SFS Content and News 7 dager siden
5:47
Jack Whitlock
Jack Whitlock 6 dager siden
@Xeno SFS - SFS Content and News It’s a bot
Xeno SFS - SFS Content and News
Xeno SFS - SFS Content and News 6 dager siden
@nieooj gotoy there are none
nieooj gotoy
nieooj gotoy 6 dager siden
Add Russian subtitles, please
Xeno SFS - SFS Content and News
Xeno SFS - SFS Content and News 7 dager siden
5:47
Phil Rosa-Leeke
Phil Rosa-Leeke 7 dager siden
#SpaceX Why don't you use the same system for landing as you do with your Falcon rockets and your intended main Starship booster? It works!
Lmao.
Lmao. 7 dager siden
Starship in particular will be coming from orbital speeds, both on earth and mars and going into a belly flop burns off a lot more speed than descending like the falcon 9 and the first stage. It also has more maneuverability at said angle with its fins. The landing system coming out of that belly flop needs to be able to land in rough terrain and landing like a rocket is much easier than landing like a plane. It also makes it easier to take off again.
Enrico Civardi
Enrico Civardi 7 dager siden
Is a question of doctrin.If you cant understand,just pay for the Spitfire.
Enrico Civardi
Enrico Civardi 7 dager siden
There is Space Mafia.No,is not possible build there,Pig,you have to pay.We love the Spitfire.
K Jayanth
K Jayanth 7 dager siden
Nice video keep it up make more related videos
Franco C
Franco C 7 dager siden
Others have asked this already: please put some telemetry on screen!
Shahbaz ahmed
Shahbaz ahmed 7 dager siden
Hi good nice to see
htannberg
htannberg 8 dager siden
There is a better way to land StarShip and the heavy booster. If the landing pad was made out of a metal grid of sorts and raised 50+ feet into the air, when a space craft comes in for a landing the pad drops as the craft touches down. The pad then does all the breaking so no major legs are needed to cushion the landing. This is a much safer way to land. The drop and break landing pad absorbs all the energy. It can be made very low tech so as not to fail. Come on we can do this!
TimePro
TimePro 4 dager siden
@htannberg I fail to see what’s wrong with doing it SpaceXs way...
htannberg
htannberg 4 dager siden
@TimePro Yes, I truly believe so. All the mega hard stuff has already be done. Landing a spacecraft on a 100? foot circle for example. Slowing 240 tons down from 5 or 10 mph to zero in 50 feet should not be too hard for SpaceX engineers.
TimePro
TimePro 4 dager siden
@htannberg You call your design SIMPLE?
htannberg
htannberg 4 dager siden
@TimePro I'm sure the Ford Pinto engineers said the same thing. It comes down to, too many things have to go right for the catch a booster to work. Why design something harder than it has to be? A simple design that works is always better.
TimePro
TimePro 4 dager siden
Orrrrr we can do it the way the engineers want to do it?
VPD
VPD 8 dager siden
Amazing
Patate Lechat
Patate Lechat 9 dager siden
wow is realy cool:)
gamil sultan
gamil sultan 9 dager siden
I,m not an engineer but as I've seen the lift and landing, in case of landing maneuver it seems to have huge momentum that the engines can't harmonize the huge momentum to the required landing momentum or speed. Perhaps it may need more time as that landing maneuver must start from a reasonably high distance to enable the engines to harmonize the huge momentum, parachuting may be needed to reduce the great pressure created by engines abruptly to absorb the kinetic energy , in turn may lead to destroying the ship.
TheSeeker50
TheSeeker50 6 dager siden
SN10 (which landed) flipped around the same distance SN11 flipped and exploded. SN10 landed.
Jack Whitlock
Jack Whitlock 9 dager siden
Flipping higher wouldn’t help if an engine explodes (Like it did here)
Marc Christian Castor
Marc Christian Castor 9 dager siden
What a foggy day, can't see a thing
lyric lays
lyric lays 9 dager siden
starship is not coming back so starship went to the space ;)
hoiy vinosa
hoiy vinosa 9 dager siden
передоз селитрой
Витёк Крут
Витёк Крут 9 dager siden
Add Russian subtitles, please
hoiy vinosa
hoiy vinosa 9 dager siden
parese que el clima afecta el gas puede estar caliente o frio escuche uno de los audios y exploto porque estaba frio
hoiy vinosa
hoiy vinosa 9 dager siden
FAA Clear sunny day: Not today FAA Intense thick fog: LEZZZDODISSHIIIT!!!
UNDAWN harsh
UNDAWN harsh 10 dager siden
Past, present and future is but a stubborn Illusion-- Sir Albert Einstein You are my inspiration Sir Elon Musk
infospot100
infospot100 10 dager siden
Ok when we loose the signal. The simple reason is starship burned away.
TimePro
TimePro 10 dager siden
Not really but okay
miko foin
miko foin 10 dager siden
Wow, so exciting!✨🚀
hoiy vinosa
hoiy vinosa 9 dager siden
6.06 look at the middle you will find some lil fire coming out that’s leakage
samu
samu 10 dager siden
Oof
ufor ufor
ufor ufor 11 dager siden
space is so 20th century
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̇ 8 timer siden
Space is the last frontier tf do u mean lol
Space X
Space X 9 dager siden
@Ferocious Gamer Hilarious
Ferocious Gamer
Ferocious Gamer 11 dager siden
so going to mars is something we would do in 1990?
Houa Houa
Houa Houa 11 dager siden
6:12 The engine failed here and that's why Starship SN11 is not coming back.
Anthony C Carnell
Anthony C Carnell 11 dager siden
Took 1000 tests to get the light bulb formula right. This is #11. @ElonMusk and the team are doing just fine.
Anthony C Carnell
Anthony C Carnell 10 dager siden
@miko foin Absolutely - we think the same way. Have a great Friday
miko foin
miko foin 10 dager siden
“Remember, making mistakes is part of the process. The key to success is to make mistakes quickly, and recover quickly, and keep forging forward.” ― Kevin J. Donaldson
ufor ufor
ufor ufor 11 dager siden
too bad there's no space programs anymore even space movies goes out in touch with realities because we keep changing display technologies, what is space missions without displays. Unless spaceships is loaded with technologies and there's holodeck, where to have such realities, I still duno....if it's possible. But space will blow your mind is it comparable with colorfull 3D biotech...
gaurang joshi
gaurang joshi 11 dager siden
Ha
gioyu comi
gioyu comi 11 dager siden
thank You for what you guys are doing for humanity! Peace.
abbsnn cose
abbsnn cose 11 dager siden
Can't you even Launch this Thing from a Pläne Like the Steam Chase to practice only the landing maneuver
Joseph Martin
Joseph Martin 11 dager siden
Thanks ! I know you all are very busy, but I wish Elon Musk and Team could find the time to help Pr. Biden & Congress implement the *American Jobs Plan* . Watching your amazing *skills* , the needs of America and the reality of the Work Force, there is a huge gap that this next Stimulus must end or Asia will eat USA lunch and dinner. Sometimes just pointing in the right direction and goals can make a World of Differences.
abbsnn cose
abbsnn cose 11 dager siden
“Remember, making mistakes is part of the process. The key to success is to make mistakes quickly, and recover quickly, and keep forging forward.” ― Kevin J. Donaldson
Dragone Inc.
Dragone Inc. 11 dager siden
Hey space X, Got some ideas for yall one increase the cone sizes of the raptor engines doesn't have to be circular maybe another spade, why can you add the honey comb slider like the other rocket, with the capability of closing the holes with the comb and control air flow, can aerodynamics help as well. Just an idea.
gioyu comi
gioyu comi 11 dager siden
Well that was a dud. Seriously, if you can't get the cameras to work? And unless you're suicidal you wouldn't want to be the first to fly Musky Air
Jimmy B. Perez Lopez
Jimmy B. Perez Lopez 12 dager siden
parese que el clima afecta el gas puede estar caliente o frio escuche uno de los audios y exploto porque estaba frio
Eby Hohloskot
Eby Hohloskot 12 dager siden
передоз селитрой
Wallstreetbets
Wallstreetbets 12 dager siden
This will be known as USS Enterprise NCC-1701A will it have warp drive functionality
Mudkip909
Mudkip909 12 dager siden
Wall street bets avatar i see
Jay__Kaay
Jay__Kaay 12 dager siden
Who down voted this are you offended by a rocket?
Maxwell
Maxwell 12 dager siden
Not today. :)
Memgi
Memgi 12 dager siden
6.06 look at the middle you will find some lil fire coming out that’s leakage
THE ROCKERS
THE ROCKERS 12 dager siden
Whenever it is going to land space X hides it from us. Something is suspicious
Lmao.
Lmao. 7 dager siden
@THE ROCKERS "not to argue with fools" no wonder you're so confident in yourself.
Bloody Evolution
Bloody Evolution 7 dager siden
​@THE ROCKERS Bruh this is a VERY work in progress design, they didn't nail falcon 9 for a while
THE ROCKERS
THE ROCKERS 8 dager siden
@TimePro u look at some falcon9 landings and others. Oh i am sorry Because I have a simple rule in life "not to argue with fools" and you are correct my friend.
Brent Smith
Brent Smith 8 dager siden
They must have one hell of a fog machine...
TimePro
TimePro 12 dager siden
Look at SN10 and the previous attempts and say that again.
Santos
Santos 12 dager siden
F
Igor Delta F.
Igor Delta F. 12 dager siden
Man will go mars no earlier than 2040. Even a small cybertruck takes years to be released to public, I can't imagine how long it will take starship to meet all the requirements. Probably decades. The news says we will see Man on mars very soon, just to keep us high expectations, but I think it's just marketing. I'm just being realistic.
Igor Delta F.
Igor Delta F. 4 timer siden
@Jul1an unfortunately spacex does not exist without Nasa. At least for now. Spacex works together with Nasa in many fields, and spacex gets a lot of money from Nasa programs which is government funding. Spacex Just build rockets , while Nasa, makes lab research, provide astronauts and many other things that are essential to go mars. Spacex may have a rocket ready for mars very soon, but so many other factors are in game, such as getting an entire crew ready to stay 500+ days in space, make the journey significant economically, doing the correct research, and have enough safety for future missions. Not for this decade.
Jul1an
Jul1an 5 timer siden
With NASA yes... With SpaceX no... Look how long the Apollo program needed... About 7-9 Years or something. In about 4-6 years or at least in this decade we will be able to go to mars.
abbsnn cose
abbsnn cose 12 dager siden
“Remember, making mistakes is part of the process. The key to success is to make mistakes quickly, and recover quickly, and keep forging forward.” ― Kevin J. Donaldson
Philipp Schmidtbauer
Philipp Schmidtbauer 12 dager siden
Can't you even Launch this Thing from a Pläne Like the Steam Chase to practice only the landing maneuver
Jul1an
Jul1an 5 timer siden
From a "pläne"... Of course... Do you know how big that "pläne" would need to be? No "pläne" is able to carry such a big and heavy rocket. You would have to modify a 747 or something specially for the Starship. And it would be dangerous for the persons on the "pläne"
Soumya Taj
Soumya Taj 12 dager siden
Go on man You will conquer
Erik Bruner
Erik Bruner 12 dager siden
Well that was a dud. Seriously, if you can't get the cameras to work? And unless you're suicidal you wouldn't want to be the first to fly Musky Air
Amado
Amado 10 dager siden
Try to fix them let's see how that will go
abbsnn cose
abbsnn cose 12 dager siden
Don't you guys have patience men!!
Paz C.
Paz C. 12 dager siden
nowindow.info/cloud/video/rK1qZ41_dXx7aKM.html ❤️🙏
Illustration
Illustration 13 dager siden
It may of failed but I know SpaceX they keep going! Mars here we come!
standal001
standal001 13 dager siden
An Idea. Why not to use helium atmosphere under the skirt of starship? It can eliminate burning of raptor engine and helium is allready in nose cone tank.
Mikhail Sporyshev
Mikhail Sporyshev 13 dager siden
You should make a compilation of failed starship launches and landings. That would be fun, especially with some dramatic music in the background. I suggest Edvard Grieg
Master Piece
Master Piece 13 dager siden
Okay
doire aintu
doire aintu 13 dager siden
“Remember, making mistakes is part of the process. The key to success is to make mistakes quickly, and recover quickly, and keep forging forward.” ― Kevin J. Donaldson
Igor L
Igor L 13 dager siden
great!
CoolJRT
CoolJRT 13 dager siden
What font is used for the timer? It's beautiful
CoolJRT
CoolJRT 13 dager siden
Clock: *is beautiful* Clock: *freezes* *American engineering at its finest* Ever heard of a Swiss clock failing?
N M
N M 13 dager siden
What is happenig with SN11?
doire aintu
doire aintu 13 dager siden
They could also easily crawl back into the skiff to take a break, eat, rest, use the toilet, whatever to satisfy basic personal needs. Astronauts could safely, comfortably and easil
lets game it out on roblox
lets game it out on roblox 13 dager siden
Uh i tink the engean imploded and fire to full and boom
aola wili
aola wili 13 dager siden
“Remember, making mistakes is part of the process. The key to success is to make mistakes quickly, and recover quickly, and keep forging forward.” ― Kevin J. Donaldson
Abdula Osman
Abdula Osman 5 dager siden
And forgot something in the end: *Actually succeeding.*
Cassandra Lynne Rose Wilson
Cassandra Lynne Rose Wilson 13 dager siden
Dust yourself off and make another ship Elon. Eventually you will succeed again. I look forward to watching it happen. 🌟 Cheers to SN12
Amado
Amado 10 dager siden
next is SN15 SN12-14 got skipped because their designs were out dated
M A D A R A
M A D A R A 13 dager siden
.SPACEX DILDO'S FOR TITANS. wHy dO hUMaNS HaVE aLL tHE fUN?? Based on the thumbnail....i didn't watch the video. Ok bei
BigMo
BigMo 13 dager siden
5:48 launch 8:02 shut down 1st engine 922 2nd engine shutdown 10:09 3rd engine shutdown - decent 11:39 relight Frozen camera
aola wili
aola wili 13 dager siden
Another one bites the dust Another one bites the dust Another one down, and another one down
Saurabh Jha
Saurabh Jha 13 dager siden
Don't you guys have patience men!!
Mike Malloy
Mike Malloy 13 dager siden
Lovely, video freezes just as engines fire up :/
Devansh D
Devansh D 13 dager siden
👍
weavergrad
weavergrad 13 dager siden
Meanwhile, they got tech that can do this ... wait shhh.
D Hansel
D Hansel 14 dager siden
I wonder why did they launch in this foggy weather? After all they were not putting anything in orbit. Probably the FAA had something to do with this such as a time-line window.
Ali Alzedawy
Ali Alzedawy 14 dager siden
ارجو ان يصل كلامي اليكم ؟ توجد طريقه اكثر امانا وفعاليه للذهاب للمريخ والعوده منه ولكن من خلال صواريخ هجينة متعددة وليس مثل ما تقومون به من تجارب تنتهي بالفشل
Jul1an
Jul1an 10 dager siden
ok
beasticks
beasticks 14 dager siden
do yall play rocket simulator or just play it irl
thomas wellnitz
thomas wellnitz 14 dager siden
Space x is controlled by Nasa so there is no difference between them and what nasa puts out both lie about going to space which they can't do .
Ferocious Gamer
Ferocious Gamer 10 dager siden
@Amado lol
Amado
Amado 10 dager siden
@thomas wellnitz naive hahhahah did you read your own comments
random games
random games 11 dager siden
@thomas wellnitz Uno reverse
thomas wellnitz
thomas wellnitz 11 dager siden
@Ferocious Gamer if you think they are going to own part of it and not control it then you are very naive .
Ferocious Gamer
Ferocious Gamer 11 dager siden
@thomas wellnitz part ownership is not control
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